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		<title>Comment on Movie Discussion: Source Code by Mike Fulton</title>
		<link>http://www.mikefulton.net/2011/04/05/movie-discussion-source-code/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Fulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 06:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chirugie, the missing part of your argument is how any of this is anything but a dream scenario being played out in Colter&#039;s brain.

Every time Colter goes back, the only thing happening is that the scientists are triggering what amounts to a dream based on the memories they extracted from dead Sean&#039;s brain.

There is no new reality or alternate timeline being created because there is no time travel involved in the process at all... they&#039;re just manipulating Colter&#039;s brain in a way that looks kind of like that&#039;s what is happening.

As you say, he does not return from the simulation automatically after 8 minutes... as long as he doesn&#039;t die in the simulation, it keeps going.  However, after 8 minutes, it&#039;s no longer based on Sean&#039;s memories.  It&#039;s just Colter&#039;s brain doing what brains do when you dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chirugie, the missing part of your argument is how any of this is anything but a dream scenario being played out in Colter&#8217;s brain.</p>
<p>Every time Colter goes back, the only thing happening is that the scientists are triggering what amounts to a dream based on the memories they extracted from dead Sean&#8217;s brain.</p>
<p>There is no new reality or alternate timeline being created because there is no time travel involved in the process at all&#8230; they&#8217;re just manipulating Colter&#8217;s brain in a way that looks kind of like that&#8217;s what is happening.</p>
<p>As you say, he does not return from the simulation automatically after 8 minutes&#8230; as long as he doesn&#8217;t die in the simulation, it keeps going.  However, after 8 minutes, it&#8217;s no longer based on Sean&#8217;s memories.  It&#8217;s just Colter&#8217;s brain doing what brains do when you dream.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Movie Discussion: Source Code by Chirurgie</title>
		<link>http://www.mikefulton.net/2011/04/05/movie-discussion-source-code/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Chirurgie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 23:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good movie and leaves a lot of food for thought if you care to analyse it. Here&#039;s my 2 pence:

At beginning of movie, in this &#039;reality 1&#039; we see Colter 1 (as I will call him) being &#039;activated&#039; for the first time and used to investigate the train crash. Goodwin 1 tells him at some point, &#039;everything will be ok&#039;. 

When he is on the train, he becomes Colter 2 in reality 2 (ie one in which he is in Sean&#039;s body). Of course he repeats this for (I think 7 times but exact number is uncertain) creating realities for Colter X in reality X.

It is important to note that Colter does not automatically return to the Source Code after 8 minutes. He manages to stay longer when he chased after motion sickness guy and only returns when he dies (run over by the train). Ditto later when he (and Christina) dies by being shot by the terrorist. In rest of realities, he dies at minutes because the bomb on the train kills him.

Each time he dies, his mind returns to reality 1. By end of movie, because he saves the train, Colter Z stays on in this &#039;new&#039; reality Z. Naturally, despite his empty body being terminated back in reality 1, it does not affect reality Z. Should Colter Z die however, he will be dead, ie not returned to Colter 1 (which no longer lives). 

So at end of the movie, we see Goodwin Z looking at Colter Z+1&#039;s body, which has yet to be activated in reality Z. 

What is the real kicker is that, Colter Z emails Goodwin Z to tell Colter Z+1 in future that &#039;everything will be ok&#039; allowing Colter Z+1 to go try avert whatever disaster he may be asked to do so and then form his own reality Z+1. Remember Goodwin 1 says same to Colter 1? That&#039;s coz reality 1 is NOT the first reality but one that existed after a previous Colter 0 has saved reality 0 and stayed behind in his &#039;newly created reality 1&#039; and presumably told Goodwin 1 the same thing to tell Colter 1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good movie and leaves a lot of food for thought if you care to analyse it. Here&#8217;s my 2 pence:</p>
<p>At beginning of movie, in this &#8216;reality 1&#8242; we see Colter 1 (as I will call him) being &#8216;activated&#8217; for the first time and used to investigate the train crash. Goodwin 1 tells him at some point, &#8216;everything will be ok&#8217;. </p>
<p>When he is on the train, he becomes Colter 2 in reality 2 (ie one in which he is in Sean&#8217;s body). Of course he repeats this for (I think 7 times but exact number is uncertain) creating realities for Colter X in reality X.</p>
<p>It is important to note that Colter does not automatically return to the Source Code after 8 minutes. He manages to stay longer when he chased after motion sickness guy and only returns when he dies (run over by the train). Ditto later when he (and Christina) dies by being shot by the terrorist. In rest of realities, he dies at minutes because the bomb on the train kills him.</p>
<p>Each time he dies, his mind returns to reality 1. By end of movie, because he saves the train, Colter Z stays on in this &#8216;new&#8217; reality Z. Naturally, despite his empty body being terminated back in reality 1, it does not affect reality Z. Should Colter Z die however, he will be dead, ie not returned to Colter 1 (which no longer lives). </p>
<p>So at end of the movie, we see Goodwin Z looking at Colter Z+1&#8242;s body, which has yet to be activated in reality Z. </p>
<p>What is the real kicker is that, Colter Z emails Goodwin Z to tell Colter Z+1 in future that &#8216;everything will be ok&#8217; allowing Colter Z+1 to go try avert whatever disaster he may be asked to do so and then form his own reality Z+1. Remember Goodwin 1 says same to Colter 1? That&#8217;s coz reality 1 is NOT the first reality but one that existed after a previous Colter 0 has saved reality 0 and stayed behind in his &#8216;newly created reality 1&#8242; and presumably told Goodwin 1 the same thing to tell Colter 1</p>
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		<title>Comment on Movie Discussion: Source Code by William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 06:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice points man, well said. Your right, the foundation is that they are only &quot;looking around&quot; in someones memory...nothing to do with time travel, whether Colter wants to believe it or not. Now the real question is, how did they get the &quot;brain footage&quot; from the vaporized train passenger? Hmm...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice points man, well said. Your right, the foundation is that they are only &#8220;looking around&#8221; in someones memory&#8230;nothing to do with time travel, whether Colter wants to believe it or not. Now the real question is, how did they get the &#8220;brain footage&#8221; from the vaporized train passenger? Hmm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Movie Discussion: Source Code by Mike Fulton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Fulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 14:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William, I&#039;m of the opinion that the ending is just plain impossible. At best you could say it&#039;s all happening in the VR simulation being run in Colter&#039;s brain. 

Colter simply could not have made any changes to any past reality while he was experiencing what was really nothing more than a sophisticated VR world.  Dr. Rutledge kept insisting that no actual time travel was involved and that no changes to the past were possible, and I think we should take that at face value. Frankly I don&#039;t see how it could happen accidentally when all they&#039;re really doing is playing back memories into a neural interface hooked into Colter&#039;s brain.

Also keep in mind that if it was all happening in Colter&#039;s brain, there&#039;s ultimately no requirement that everything actually makes sense.  They extracted eight minutes of memories from the train victim&#039;s memory, so that&#039;s where they were normally terminating the simulation, but maybe it doesn&#039;t really have to end there; it just won&#039;t be based on the victim&#039;s memories after the 8 minutes are up. It&#039;s essentially a dream from that point on, albeit one based on the foundation that the memories initially provided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William, I&#8217;m of the opinion that the ending is just plain impossible. At best you could say it&#8217;s all happening in the VR simulation being run in Colter&#8217;s brain. </p>
<p>Colter simply could not have made any changes to any past reality while he was experiencing what was really nothing more than a sophisticated VR world.  Dr. Rutledge kept insisting that no actual time travel was involved and that no changes to the past were possible, and I think we should take that at face value. Frankly I don&#8217;t see how it could happen accidentally when all they&#8217;re really doing is playing back memories into a neural interface hooked into Colter&#8217;s brain.</p>
<p>Also keep in mind that if it was all happening in Colter&#8217;s brain, there&#8217;s ultimately no requirement that everything actually makes sense.  They extracted eight minutes of memories from the train victim&#8217;s memory, so that&#8217;s where they were normally terminating the simulation, but maybe it doesn&#8217;t really have to end there; it just won&#8217;t be based on the victim&#8217;s memories after the 8 minutes are up. It&#8217;s essentially a dream from that point on, albeit one based on the foundation that the memories initially provided.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Movie Discussion: Source Code by William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 07:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Here&#039;s what i&#039;m hung up on.

If Jake takes over the teachers body there at the end, to go live happily ever after and so forth, then when he makes the text message to capt. goodwin, and she walks by the room with the body being kept alive, and it IS still alive and breathing, as if it hasn&#039;t been used yet, how is it still alive? Didn&#039;t his soul transfer into the teachers body permanently? Who&#039;s in Jake&#039;s battle torn body laying on a table now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Here&#8217;s what i&#8217;m hung up on.</p>
<p>If Jake takes over the teachers body there at the end, to go live happily ever after and so forth, then when he makes the text message to capt. goodwin, and she walks by the room with the body being kept alive, and it IS still alive and breathing, as if it hasn&#8217;t been used yet, how is it still alive? Didn&#8217;t his soul transfer into the teachers body permanently? Who&#8217;s in Jake&#8217;s battle torn body laying on a table now?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Objective C &#8211; A Failed Experiment by Sidamo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sidamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preach it, brother. Objective-C is just ugly, ugly, ugly as sin. Every time I finish a program in it, I get the same shameful feeling I used to get back in college when I&#039;d wake up, hung-over, next to some fat chick whose name I couldn&#039;t remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preach it, brother. Objective-C is just ugly, ugly, ugly as sin. Every time I finish a program in it, I get the same shameful feeling I used to get back in college when I&#8217;d wake up, hung-over, next to some fat chick whose name I couldn&#8217;t remember.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Meetup With Cali Lewis of Geekbeat.TV by Cali Lewis</title>
		<link>http://www.mikefulton.net/2010/12/13/meetup-with-cali-lewis-of-geekbeattv/comment-page-1/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Cali Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was glad you came out - was great to meet you, Mike! And...sorry about the noise! Didn&#039;t think about the game! :)

Cali</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was glad you came out &#8211; was great to meet you, Mike! And&#8230;sorry about the noise! Didn&#8217;t think about the game! <img src='http://www.mikefulton.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cali</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cypress High School, Class of &#8217;81 by Sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came across your page here while looking up my old friend, Lisa Livote (still can&#039;t find her).  I was in CHS class of &#039;81, but I sure don&#039;t remember this slide show... or more than half the people in it!  We all looked a LOT younger then, too!  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across your page here while looking up my old friend, Lisa Livote (still can&#8217;t find her).  I was in CHS class of &#8217;81, but I sure don&#8217;t remember this slide show&#8230; or more than half the people in it!  We all looked a LOT younger then, too!  <img src='http://www.mikefulton.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Objective C &#8211; A Failed Experiment by Lococo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lococo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with everything you say. Reading this article was a little like finding a soul-mate out in the world! :)

I&#039;ve seen quite a few posts in various places like StackOverflow from people who think ObjC is just fine, but I have to scratch my head and wonder how anyone can actually like this fugly language.

But beyond ObJC specifically, what really bothers me most about Apple development is that I DON&#039;T HAVE A CHOICE. If i want to fully utilize OS X features, I MUST use ObjC -- and that really annoys me. There ought to be a more language-neutral way to do it.

As for iPhone programming, thank God for Corona (a Lua-based system), or else I&#039;d never get involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everything you say. Reading this article was a little like finding a soul-mate out in the world! <img src='http://www.mikefulton.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen quite a few posts in various places like StackOverflow from people who think ObjC is just fine, but I have to scratch my head and wonder how anyone can actually like this fugly language.</p>
<p>But beyond ObJC specifically, what really bothers me most about Apple development is that I DON&#8217;T HAVE A CHOICE. If i want to fully utilize OS X features, I MUST use ObjC &#8212; and that really annoys me. There ought to be a more language-neutral way to do it.</p>
<p>As for iPhone programming, thank God for Corona (a Lua-based system), or else I&#8217;d never get involved.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Objective C &#8211; A Failed Experiment by john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 00:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>totally true. i have programmed in many modern object orient languages and this is the worst language ever conceived. so verbose, so cryptic and so annoying syntax. without the code complete in the tool it is impossible to be productive. when other tool makers offered alternative way to progam for mac/iphone apple shut them down quick and brutal. steve jobs is the most evil guy in computer industry. a brilliant product marketer but also the most evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>totally true. i have programmed in many modern object orient languages and this is the worst language ever conceived. so verbose, so cryptic and so annoying syntax. without the code complete in the tool it is impossible to be productive. when other tool makers offered alternative way to progam for mac/iphone apple shut them down quick and brutal. steve jobs is the most evil guy in computer industry. a brilliant product marketer but also the most evil.</p>
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